Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Are Baptist Protestant?

What is a Protestant? Protestants are a group of religions that came out of the Catholic church after they protested some of the Catholic teachings. Martin Luther was the first to say that he did not agree and many others followed including the King of England. King Henry VIII started the Anglican Church after being denied permission to divorce his wife.


Though Baptist were not always called "Baptist" the beliefs are Bible beliefs. 



Let me list 10 things Baptist Believe that are taught in the Bible. You can find this list in a little book by J.M. Carrol called "The Trail of Blood".


 1. Christ, the author of this religion, organized His followers or disciples into a Church. And the disciples were to organize other
churches as this religion spread and other disciples were "made." (Ray, Bapt, Succession, Revised Edition, 1st Chap.)
2. This organization or church, according to the Scriptures and according to the practice of the Apostles and early churches,
was given two kinds of officers and only two--pastors and deacons. The pastor was called "Bishop." Both pastor and deacons
to be selected by the church and to be servants of the church.
3. The churches in their government and discipline to be entirely separate and independent of each other, Jerusalem to have no
authority over Antioch--nor Antioch over Ephesus; nor Ephesus over Corinth, and so forth. And their government to be
congregational, democratic. A government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
4. To the church were given two ordinances and only two, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. These to be perpetual and
memorial.

 5. Only the "saved" were to be received as members of the church (Acts 2:47). These saved ones to be saved by grace alone
without any works of the law (Eph, 2:5, 8, 9). These saved ones and they only, to be immersed in the name of the Father, Son
and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). And only those thus received and baptized, to partake of the Lord's Supper, and the supper to
be celebrated only by the church, in church capacity.
6. The inspired scriptures, and they only, in fact, the New Testament and that only, to be the rule and guide of faith and life, not
only for the church as an organization, but for each individual member of that organization.
7. Christ Jesus, the founder of this organization and the savior of its members, to be their only priest and king, their only Lord
and Lawgiver, and the only head of the churches. The churches to be executive only in carrying out their Lord's will and
completed laws, never legislative, to amend or abrogate old laws or to make new ones.
8. This religion of Christ to be individual, personal, and purely voluntary or through persuasion. No physical or governmental
compulsion. A matter of distinct individual and personal choice. "Choose you" is the scriptural injunction. It could be neither
accepted nor rejected nor lived by proxy nor under compulsion.

  9. Mark well! That neither Christ nor His apostles, ever gave to His followers, what is know today as a denominational name,
such as "Catholic," "Lutheran," "Presbyterian," "Episcopal," and so forth--unless the name given by Christ to John was intended
for such, "The Baptist," "John the Baptist" (Matt. 11:11 and 10 or 12 other times.) Christ called the individual follower
"disciple." Two or more were called "disciples." The organization of disciples, whether at Jerusalem or Antioch or elsewhere,
was called Church. If more than one of these separate organizations were referred to, they were called Churches. The word
church in the singular was never used when referring to more than one of these organizations. Nor even when referring to them
all.
10. I venture to give one more distinguishing mark. We will call it--Complete separation of Church and State. No combination,
no mixture of this spiritual religion with a temporal power. "Religious Liberty," for everybody



You can read this full book at this link http://bibledoctrine.webs.com/TrailBlood.pdf.


Above I mentioned Martin Luther. He is a hero to most. To the Baptist, he was a persecutor. He had no problem jailing Baptist because they preached against infant baptism. Even the Pilgrims, who came to America for religious freedom persecuted Baptist for preaching against infant baptism. Look into a Baptist Preacher named John Leland of Virginia 1775. If not for this man America would not have separation of state from the church. 


Baptists make no effort to trace a historical succession back to the age of the Apesties. Their only claim is that at every age in church history there have been groups that have held to the same doctrines that Baptists hold today. These groups may or may not have been connected and they have been known by various names. There were the Montanists (150 A.D.), the Novatians (240 A.D.), Donatists (305 A.D.), Albigenses (1022 A.D.), Waldensians (1170 A.D.), and the name Anabaptists came into prominence just before the time of the Protestant Reformation. Full historical data immediately refutes the view that there was only one religious group -- the Roman Catholic church -until the time of Martin Luther. Anyone who claims this simply has not done his homework.

Look at what some NON-Baptist have had to say about the Baptist. 
Cardinal Hosius (1504-1579) was a Roman Catholic prelate who had as his life work the investigation and suppression of non-Catholic groups. By Pope Paul IV he was designated one of the three papal presidents of the famous Council of Trent. Hosius carried on vigorously the work of the counter-reformation. If anyone in post-reformation times knew the doctrines and history of nonCatholic groups, it was Hosius. Cardinal Hosius says, "Were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past 1,200 years, they would swarm in greater number than all the Reformers" (Letters Apud Opera, pp.112, 113). Note carefully that this knowledgeable Catholic scholar has spoken of the vicious persecution Baptists have endured, that he clearly distinguishes them from the Reformers, and that he dates them 1,200 years before the Protestant Reformation.


 It is also evident that the Baptists were not Protestants because they were fiercely persecuted by the Protestant Reformers and their followers. Uncounted thousands of them lost their goods, their lands, and their lives in these persecutions. Konred Grebel died in prison in 1526. Felix Manz was drowned by the authorities at Zurich in 1527. Noted Baptist leader Baithauser Hubmaier was burned alive at the stake in Vienna March 10, 1528. Three days later his wife was drowned by being thrown over the Danube bridge with a stone tied to her neck.  The facts abundantly attest that historically Baptists are not Protestants.
 



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